Hello and welcome to A Gypsy's Kiss thevlog.
I'm Shelley Carney and I'm Toby Younis.
Stick around a few seconds and I'lltell you why you should cross Yellowstone off your list.
And we're back.
Cross Yellowstone off thelist, huh? Yep.
I think it's time to look at the realities of Yellowstone and turnto other locations that have more promise.
Actually, I shouldprobably call this instance of our vlog Green is the new Yellowstone.
Kind of like your outfit.
Very nicely done.
Well, it's like a traffic light or something.
Green and yellow, red.
What's going on with that? There's a little bit of red.
Let me explain to you my logic.
The first thing is the word, the complete word, that is a space in front of it anda space behind it, green is used seven times in The Thrill of the Chase.
That ismore times than any other color, with a space in front of it and a space afterit.
There's lots of Yellowstones, there's lots of white water, etc.
But green is used seven times and those seven times are more thanany other word in the book, any other word for a color in the book.
So let mehighlight some of them.
First one comes in the chapter entitled First Grade onpage 16 where Fenn refers to the evil John Charles and how he used to wavethat olive jar, the jar full of green olives at him and hefinishes the sentence with the “what was all that about?” Which was very JerrySeinfeld of him, I thought.
But I've always treated that as one of our little aberrationsaround the edge because it was so reactionary.
You know, it just kind of–whythere? Just a few sentences later he says it again, alsoreferring to the olive jar.
As you know, the olive jar not only ends up inthe story but– in the chest.
It contains his biography and a couple ofhis hairs, so that you can do DNA analysis, I suppose.
So, it's important.
The olive jar becomes important in the grand scheme of things.
He uses green four times in My War For Me.
It's important to note that the word green is used–60% ofthe instances of green–are used in the chapter that takes up 20% of the book.
I've always thought that was an important chapter for him because Ithink it helped him resolve some of the experiences that those of us who were inVietnam might have had.
I think him writing that helped him put those behind him.
You know, paint them on the balloon and let the balloon float away.
Well, I was going to say, you started to say, it was going tobe green because he's in the jungle, but then there are other instances as well, right? Well, there's a couple of– there's one informal in one formal, soright after he mentions the green of the jungle, literally within a couple ofsentences, he mentions the green color of the South China Sea below him.
Ithink that coincidence, green very close in that chapter, that First Grade chapter, and green here, every time he uses–well not every time but most of the time–usesgreen, he does it he does them together.
The same is true of the ones where herefers to the Jolly Green Giant which was the the nickname of the helicopter, the rescue helicopter, the HC 53 I think was the model it was a Sikorsky, that wasused by the Air Force to rescue downed pilots.
So they referred to it as aJolly Green Giant.
Again, just a few sentences later he does it one more time.
So it strikes me that up to this point that little combination ofgreens within a sentence or two of one another was important, but then I get tothe chapter called Tea With Olga.
If you remember, at the beginning he talksabout this woman that was more than just a friend to him, they had abusiness relationship, effectively.
But I think the sense that I get is that Fennhad a soft spot in his heart for her and eventually she goes to her deathand Fenn spreads her ashes as she requestedsome place on Mount Baldy or Baldy Mount, Taos Mountain.
At least he thinks he cameclose to it, right? It was it was overcast on that day.
But at the beginning of thechapter, Fenn drinks tea with her a couple of times and during that there'stwo sessions.
He drinks black tea and he drinks redtea.
But at the end of the chapter when he imagines that Olga is whateverspiritual place that she is, and with her father that she spoke of oftenand fondly, with him she drinks green tea.
So all these places where the wordgreen are emotionally introspective when it comes to Fenn's thinking.
So to me thatmade it important.
Then this happened.
So as I was going through all this itstruck me that, and what prompted this, as I was thinking about this greenthing, I remember in the book, and I had to go back and reread it.
I remember himin the book mentioning his reading of The Great Gatsby, F.
Like all good high schoolers at the all-boys SaintMichael's High School in Santa Fe, New Mexico, these three books were requiredreading as examples of what would one day be called classic Americanliterature, and indeed they are.
Ernest Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls, F.
Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby and JD Salinger's The Catcher in the Rye.
They let you read that in your school? Yeah, they did and it was aCatholic school.
It was an all-boys Catholic school.
We had very liberal English, you know, the Christian Brothers tend to be a lot more liberal.
But what Iremembered about the Great Gatsby is that he's always talking, throughoutthe book, he refers to this green blinking light at the end of Daisy'sdock.
The dock across the lake from the house in which she livedIt just kind of pinged me.
So I went back and I found out, well, in each of those books you can search them and you will find the word green.
ButFenn treated these books with disdain, except for The Catcher in the Rye, which he kind of liked because JD Salinger apparently wrote like Fennaspired to writing.
That led me to another search inside The Thrill of theChase and that was the books that I thought Fenn admired and would spendtime with in a soulful way.
The first one, as he tossed these books away, the JDSalinger, the Ernest Hemingway and the F.
Scott Fitzgerald, as he tossed them inthe trash, he says, “I tossed those beauties in the trash basket under mydesk and looked away.
If Robert Redford (the actor) had ever written anything, heprobably could have done it better than the guy who wrote that Gatsby book.
“The reason that stuck out to me is because, of course, Robert Redford starred in TheGreat Gatsby in the '70s I saw that film, it was quite good, was welldone.
Yeah it was interesting.
It popped out at me, right? So maybe it'sa little hint, like, put these two together.
Well, it turns out that Robert Redford has written at least one book.
He wroteone book.
Oh, I saw him listed in Amazon in other listings in Amazon.
Well, he haswritten forewards and introductions and given contributions to other books, butThe Outlaw Trail is the only book attributed to him as the author.
Whatabout the one about the wolves? That was mostly a photo journal and Ibelieve he wrote a foreword for it.
It wasn't his book.
That's funny becauseI've always imagined it was credited directly to him whenever it'spromoted on my list of Amazon books.
If you look at whose names are on the book, it's not him.
Iknow it is accredited to him, but no.
It wasn't authored by him.
This, The Outlaw Trail, is the only book attributed completely to Robert Redfordas the author.
It was written after his experience with the movie.
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Right, He wanted to relive, and in fact this wasa National Geographic documentary, and they had one of the documentaryphotographers along with them and that's where all the photographs in the bookcome from.
Such as this.
Well he's the right character for that topic.
He's a masculine, handsome man, you know, and he's a thoughtful man.
They did a lot of it on horseback.
There weresome places where they couldn't do horseback riding and they would take, they had a very old kind of a truckster that they rode, but this is the, basically, this is his journey.
So it's not unlike any other Western journey type of diaryor journal.
One could see easily how Fenn could be attracted to this kind ofbook not only because of Robert Redford, and I believe he sold, he did businesswith Robert Redford, so I'm sure he knew that Robert Redford had indeedwritten a book that you would call right up Fenn's alley.
Well, he has a home in theSanta Fe area as well, so I'm sure he filled it up with some of that art thathe got from Fenn.
So the second one that comes up is very similar.
It's thejourneys described by Osborne Russell in his Journal of a Trapper, and again hespeaks of it in a very illustrative way when it comes to Fenn, “Over the yearsI've read The Journal of a Trapper a dozen times and always with a deeperappreciation for who Osborne Russell was and what he did.
The mountainscontinue to beckon me.
They always will.
” Again, very incisive and verymuch an indication of the way that Fenn is and the way that Fenn thinks.
And whathe likes to read.
And what he likes– that's right– and what he likes to read.
Thelast one, of course, is the reference in the the chapter labeled Flywater.
Do we have Flywater here? That's the– Is that the new one? That's the 2010.
We do have the– Shelley's going to go off screen for just a sec.
There we go.
You have both copies.
Well, that's because I made the mistakeof buying the less expensive one the first time, the 2010 edition.
Thisone's bigger, so you would think it would be more expensive, but no.
Well the reason this is expensive is because it's referred to in Fenn's.
A lot of photos.
A lot ofstories.
He refers to it again in a very positive way.
“Today as my thoughtsdrifted by on route to new ideas to be tried and new experiences to be had, “which is what he's asking us to do, “I pulled a long-forgotten book from myshelf.
It's called Flywater, and is about the great fishing spots in the westernpart of this country.
” So one could imagine very easily that some of thosefishing spots he was familiar with, and of course Silver Creek, which he'smentioned.
Yellowstone, the Madison are all listed in Flywater.
Again, makesure if you decide to get this book, get the 1994 edition, which is what he wouldhave referred to in The Thrill of the Chase.
It was again published in 2010, but it's a different, it's a slightly different book with a slightly differentco-author.
I think what attracted Fenn to Flywater, aside from the fishing photosand the fact that he fished probably many of those Western rivers, was thatMike Crockett, the co-author of the book, was diagnosed with cancer and given acertain number of months to live and he fought it off for a very long time withfly fishing.
So if you look at each one of those books, there is reference onoccasion to Yellowstone.
Each of them does it.
But there is one location that is referenced in all three books and it'sgreen, not yellow.
It strikes me as funny that if Fenn was going to give us somehints in terms of the books that he read, he would refer to a location that isn'tYellowstone.
So for you and me, I'm crossingYellowstone off our list of search areas.
I think I have another number of otherreasons to do it, but for this alone, I think it's worth making thatdecision.
But as they say in the commercials, wait there's more! Oh.
So, you know this better than I do.
What's the complete title andsubtitle of Robert Redford's book? Well, right here.
The Outlaw Trail: A JourneyThrough Time.
Right, a journey through time.
Now so far we've imagined that Fennhas asked us to take a journey through space, right? Sometimes a two-dimensional space and sometimes a three-dimensional space.
But if you remember correctlyalong with all the books that he threw into his trash basket, he then throws forwhatever reason, a copy of an issue of Time magazine.
I believe that's a hintand I think it's connected to this idea of a journey through time.
The conclusionI've come to, and I'm going to–and you know I don't do this often–I'm going toadmit a mistake.
The mistake that I made happened a couple of shows ago where Itold you that I thought the map represented a three-dimensional spacerather than a 2-dimensional surface.
I was wrong.
Fenn gave us a poem withthree dimensions.
He not only tells us where to go, he tells us when to go there.
So, you're saying four dimensions.
With the addition of time.
The threedimensions of space and then the dimension of time.
That's written intothe poem, and this is the time we have to get to.
So, you need to be there at 6:35 in the evening.
No, no, that's not hours, those are years.
Years? Well, we can't goback to 1835, we don't have a time machine, after all.
You're going tohave to trust me on this.
I think I have access to a time machine.
No, I don't.
Idon't have time machine.
We don't have to have a time machine.
What we have to do is have the imagination required for us to travelback to that time and the poem takes us there.
It's all in the poem.
So, what's up for next week? As if what? This wasn't enough? I thought this was prettygood.
That held your interest for a little while, don't you think? Well, for a week.
Next week we're going to talk about the idea, that I have come to theconclusion that Fenn did not hide the treasure in 2009 or 2010.
Right, 1835, that's when he hid it.
1835 to 1840.
He went back in time, hid the treasure, wrote the poem, 15 years later here we are.
So we're going to talk about that next week and we're going to give people asense of when we think– when the treasure was hidden.
We know when the poem waswritten.
We know what years he hid the treasure, what era he hid the treasure in.
Now we'll talk about when he actually put it into that era 1835 to 1840.
Speaking of time, I guess tomorrow, Thursday, we're going to be up in SantaFe for a film and we're going to talk about that as well next week.
We mightmake that a separate thing, the more I think about it.
The reason is we'regoing to be interviewing, Shelley is going to be interviewing, Thomas Leach, who is the director of The Lure, and we think that deserves an episode independent of ournormal weekly blog.
As Shelley said, we're going to beat the screening tomorrow in Santa Fe.
We've arranged to interview Thomas andhe's agreed to sit down with us for a half hour or so, so that we can interviewhim about his project.
We think that's going to be a lot of fun andShelley's exactly the right person.
Forrest will be there, so we'll say hi.
We'll get pictures.
I have to get that traditional smiling picture of you andForrest.
I'm not even take them with him anymore because he doesn't smile anyway.
So based on what we talked about today, I have a question for you.
You know we're planning a recon in June.
We have a lots of options butbased on the information today I'm going to ask you to pick the place that we putboots on the ground in a recon in June.
I'll use my psychic abilities and go through time to 1835-1840, green.
Let's go here.